Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+ Incorporate a virtual indexing site

[pietpaaltjes]

A lot of edonkey/emule indexing sites are taken down lately.
Would it be possible to a way to keep track of new podcasts or series from emule itself.

My idea is the following.

Instead of going to an indexing site and looking for a new file you are interested in. Have this feature build into emule and make it run offline.

Now a person who is posting checked content on an edonkey site has the problem that this site could be taken down or is dreadfully slow due to high traffic.

If is was possible to post a database like file in the edonkey space that contained all the files that this person has published, people would only have to download this file through emule. If emule could read this file people could select the files they are interested in ad place in into the queue.

If the person wanted to update the database file he published, he would only have to post an update. If the name of this update was formatted correctly emule could be programmed to automatically look for this file and if found download it and add it to the main database file.

The result is some kind of virtual indexing site or subscription. You no longer need to go to a website. Emule would automatically update itself and possibly automatically start downloading the content you are interested in.

This would keep the traffic to the internet site where you found the link to the first database file to a minimum and once a "service" is out there it is impossible to take down and also it is virtually impossible to track the person who posts the updates because there is no website he has to post to.

An example of this is the publication of the content of "The realworld". When this site was taken down a HTML version of its database was published in the emule space and now its content is available offline for everybody and there is no site to take down, because it is already down. If the database of The Realworld could be read by emule and updates where possible. The website would be virtually there and people or organisations with bad intent would not be able to take it down

Sadly I can not program to save my life otherwise I would try my self
Let me know what you think.


Piet

[muleteer]

I think we have something like this already - preferences>advanced>auto download. However, don't ask me how to use it as I don't know myself. Hope you can make more sense out of the FAQ than me.

[pietpaaltjes]

I know about this feature to, but like you have no idea how to get it to work.

But what I am thinking about is beeing able to have a virtual indexing site residing on you own computer and the updates come from the edonky space. Not a website or server that can be taken down.

The automatic download could be a feature of this but the intention is that you could browse something that could look like list you would see in one of the edonkey indexing sites and be able to select the files you want yourself.
You might not want to download everything from a published list.

If you could have a indexing site like shareprovider.com or the old therealworld.de running locally with no more speed problems or organisations trying to take it down, because there is nothing to take down.
And everything updated automatically out of the edonkeyt space.

think about it.

Piet

[Darklord]

First you need to convince a forum to release such files.

Without it, the feature is useless.

Also, who garanties that the file is not full of fake links?

Anyone can put a file like that.

[muleteer]

If you are thinking of maintaining a local database of files on the ed2k network, that is likely to be impractical. There are several hundred million files in the ed2k network.

[Darklord]

But not official releases from oficial groups. I think thats what he meant.

Theres stil the problem i said, thought.

[pietpaaltjes]

I was not thinking of having an offline index off everything that is on the network but more what Darklord said. A file from the release group.
This way you know you are getting a quality release.

The security is something that was an issue for me too, but it should not be to difficult to encript a database file and only give the creator with the key the right to make addition-files.

If for instance, the LOL group who make all these greate releases, can make an index file with all their releases in there and make sure they are the only once that are able to post additions to this file.
Als these posts can be made more or less anonimously.

You still need somebody or forum to put a link to the initial file up, but there is no more need to revisit the place where you found it once you are "subscribed". Emule would just automatically look for update on the emule servers.


Piet

[Aw3]

As muleteer already stated, the feature is called AutoDownload go to the bottom of the following page and read how to use it:
http://emuleplus.info/forum/index.php?show...nQuestions,1257

[Darklord]

There you go.

Now you only need to get someone trustworthy to post the file (and lots of bandwidth).

Didnt know about that feature either.

Can see lots of potential (and even something that can work with a thing i created a while back, a irc bot).

Not exactly what you wanted, since it cant be taken from the network, but better than nothing.

Is this a Plus feature only, or there also on other clients (oficial)?

This post has been edited by Darklord: Apr 30 2006, 21:55

[Aw3]

The feature was designed by eMule Plus.

[muleteer]

/me *confused*

Join the club - haven't been able to figure it out either. Guess I'm not the only dumb guy around here.

[pietpaaltjes]

The auto download feature is something that could be a feature of what I am thinking off, but you still need a server that is continually hosting the XML files and emule is constantly asking for updates. I was thinking of putting a file in the edonkey space not on a private server. This can still generate a lot of traffic and can be taken down.

An other disadvantage is that you automaticvally starts downloading what is listed in the file. You might just be looking for one episode and not the entire series.

And the main idea here is to have a offline site you could browse and select what you want. Having an auto download beeing part of this would be a nice bonus.

I am not saying that the autodownload feature is not a great idea but my idea is just expaning on it

Piet

[Darklord]

You still have the problem of verifying the authenticity of the file.

You need a way to make sure that the file realy comes from the original team.

And no, your solution wont work, since in emule, if a file changes, so does its hash.

Also, having such a database inside Plus would make it really slow and heavy on the memory used.

[Darklord]

i don't find this too enlightening...
how can i DOWNLOAD a file? i thought, i have to wait until some is nice enough to UPload?!?!
/me doesn't understand this at all
guess i try and activate it on some file and see what happens (and mope around then *g*)

[edit]well, i can't configure/edit anything there... do i need to have some website with EM+ lovers who put code under their links to use this?!?![/edit]

/me *confused*

Yes, you need someone who puts a xml file on a webserver that Plus can download itself.

[Fuxie - DK]

Brief non-technical explanation of AutoDL feature

Devide people into two groups: Releasers and Downloaders..

- Releaser A creates AutoDL.xml-file (containing one or more files he wants to share to a group of people), and hosts this file on a WebServer (eMule Plus WebServer feature can be used, but any will do, e.g. your ISP etc).
- Releaser B creates AutoDL.xml-file and hosts this file
- Releaser C creates AutoDL.xml-file and hosts this file

- Downloader A wants to download the files Releaser A+C releases, so he specifies both Releaser A's and Releaser C's URLs in AutoDL-section in preferences..
- Downloader B specifies Releaser B's URL in AutoDL
- Downloader C specifies both Releaser B's and Releaser C's URLs in AutoDL

- When Releaser A adds a new file to his XML file, Downloader A automatically get it added to download.
- When Releaser B adds a new file to his XML file, Downloader B+C automatically get it added to download.
- When Releaser C adds a new file to his XML file, Downloader A+C automatically get it added to download.


Hope this makes sense now..