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Darklord
May 23 2006, 17:28
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Ok, as promissed, im reporting on what i have done.

Here is the code for the prototype i have been working on, to test the concept and check some of the changes needed to implement it.

The code isnt meant to be added, just for checking and commenting; it was done against the code on SourceForge cvs (public, of course).

Following are some notes of implementation, covering what i have found out, done and thought about.
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Jun 8 2006, 23:45
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QUOTE(Darklord @ Jun 8 2006, 11:23)
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Yep, and that is also one of the strong points of the ajax way, since it doesnt reload the entire page, just the changing bits.
How does the server know what to resend? Do you keep the copy of everything transferred to a client?
It doesnt.
Its up to the client to decide what and when to ask, and what to do with it once it arrives. Its a pull strategy instead of a push.
You were mentioning all the time that only changed fields should be retransmitted. How can the client know which fields changed?

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Im suprised noone has commented on this:

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As the webserver as it was couldnt serve XML, i made the necessary changes (an ugly and imcomplete hack, the webserver needs serious refactoring); when done, it hit me with the new possibilities of this new interface:

- possibility of any XML aware program being able to monitor and control emulePlus easily; this includes IM programs, IRC programs, scripts, whatever...
I think this is a very useful feature. To give a better ideia, i implemented another prototype, this time a Yahoo Widget, that can monitor eMulePlus through the XML interface.
Usually it works in the following way -- the more "useful" features you have, the less security you provide...
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QUOTE(Aw3 @ Jun 8 2006, 23:45)
You were mentioning all the time that only changed fields should be retransmitted. How can the client know which fields changed?

Where did i said that?

What i did say was, what is transmited is the data, what CAN change.

Take a look at the requests i mentioned, call them on the browser. That is what its transmitted.

The structure of the document wont change (much), at least while you are in a page, so there is no need to send it every time.

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Usually it works in the following way -- the more "useful" features you have, the less security you provide...

Perhaps.

Should we not implement anything else then, with fear of that? Or should we try to think ways to avoid most problems and attack vectors, while implementing new features?

Why even use a tool thats connected to such a dangerous thing as the internet? Better to just unplug that cable wink.gif

EDIT: as for this feature, it just uses the same mechanism of the webserver. If there is a an attack vector in it, theres probably also in the already existing webserver.

Unless you mean the other programs, and that is not our concern.

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Darklord   Webserver with Ajax and XML   May 23 2006, 17:28
Darklord   [b]Implementation Notes, part 1[/size] After some...   May 23 2006, 18:03
Darklord   Im suprised noone has commented on this: I thin...   Jun 8 2006, 21:42
Darklord   [b]Implementation Notes, part 2 For now, it still...   May 23 2006, 18:29
Fuxie - DK   When I try to open the zip file (windows integrate...   May 23 2006, 19:09
Darklord   When I try to open the zip file (windows integrate...   May 23 2006, 19:42
Darklord   [b]Implementation Notes, part 3 After the webserv...   May 23 2006, 19:29
Darklord   [b]Implementation Notes, part 4[/size] I "hi...   May 23 2006, 19:40
Darklord   [b]Implementation Notes, part 5[/size] Next Steps...   May 23 2006, 20:10
Darklord   archive with executable Edit: this may not have w...   May 23 2006, 21:44
Fuxie - DK   Which source codes is this built on? Maybe you co...   May 24 2006, 05:28
Darklord   Which source codes is this built on? Maybe you co...   May 24 2006, 11:15
DonGato   Nice work, keep going... I would love an AJAX Web ...   May 25 2006, 15:42
Fuxie - DK   No, of course not. (i dont believe that is even p...   May 25 2006, 16:11
Darklord   Nice, thks for the info, gonna check it out.   May 25 2006, 16:23
Darklord   Nice, thks for the info, gonna check it out. [sn...   May 25 2006, 16:43
Aw3   The thing is that the main slow down is not becaus...   May 26 2006, 03:19
Darklord   The thing is that the main slow down is not becaus...   May 26 2006, 16:19
Darklord   Yes, like i said, the webserver need serious refa...   May 26 2006, 17:02
Beltxo   Hmmm... such an interesting development, implement...   May 23 2006, 22:11
Fuxie - DK   Test run, to check times... Scenario: Login -...   May 24 2006, 06:45
Darklord   The numbers speak for them selves.. Ajax is on...   May 24 2006, 11:35
Fuxie - DK   This is how we've always tested when any speed...   May 24 2006, 12:14
Darklord   This is how we've always tested when any spee...   May 24 2006, 18:59
Darklord   Hum, checking my copy on a P4 1.4GHz with 256 MB R...   May 24 2006, 19:16
muleteer   Fuxie's client is our test bench for WS perfor...   May 24 2006, 19:40
Fuxie - DK   Only for a few weeks more.. I'm getting new ha...   May 25 2006, 06:45
Darklord   Only for a few weeks more.. I'm getting new ha...   May 25 2006, 11:13
Fuxie - DK   Only for a few weeks more.. I'm getting new ha...   May 25 2006, 11:27
Darklord   Now that i have the XML response for the upload q...   May 29 2006, 20:37
Darklord   Ok. So now i know who to call then when its time ...   May 24 2006, 20:14
muleteer   Scary!!! :w00t:   May 25 2006, 08:15
DonGato   I sugest another approach: Don't use template...   May 26 2006, 18:27
Fuxie - DK   Do you mean to build both templates into eMule.exe...   May 26 2006, 18:31
DonGato   No, I mean to remove templates and just have stat...   May 26 2006, 20:23
muleteer   Whichever method we choose, I think we should also...   May 26 2006, 18:36
Darklord   Its good practice to allow usage to non ajax ado...   May 26 2006, 21:39
Aw3   That is also an advantage of the ajax way, since a...   May 27 2006, 01:04
Darklord   That is also an advantage of the ajax way, since a...   May 27 2006, 09:27
Darklord   Added upload list to xml requests, still havent ch...   Jun 5 2006, 21:37
Fuxie - DK   Please explain IN DETAIL what we're supposed t...   Jun 6 2006, 15:49
Darklord   Ok. [*] Download the [url=http://pwp.netcabo.pt/...   Jun 6 2006, 16:42
Fuxie - DK   [snapback]76607[/right][/quote]You're using a...   Jun 6 2006, 17:04
Darklord   Ya, havent updated that one, only the executable...   Jun 6 2006, 17:16
Fuxie - DK   The main problem from my PoV isn't the process...   Jun 6 2006, 17:28
Darklord   Yep, and that is also one of the strong points o...   Jun 6 2006, 18:20
Fuxie - DK   But then,what is there to test for us??   Jun 6 2006, 18:23
Darklord   In particular in your case, two things: [*] Compa...   Jun 6 2006, 18:31
Fuxie - DK   It's, from my PoV, next to impossible to compa...   Jun 6 2006, 18:34
Darklord   True, to some extent, and im working on that (r...   Jun 6 2006, 18:37
Fuxie - DK   First click on "Transfer" after login sh...   Jun 6 2006, 18:52
Darklord   Not necessarily, depends on the approach, if we g...   Jun 6 2006, 18:57
Fuxie - DK   Ofcource, Ajax is all or nothing... But in the co...   Jun 6 2006, 19:02
Darklord   No, thats one of the biggest mistakes that may be...   Jun 6 2006, 19:06
Aw3   How does the server know what to resend? Do you ke...   Jun 8 2006, 11:14
Darklord   How does the server know what to resend? Do you ke...   Jun 8 2006, 11:23
DonGato   Well, the style will be kept but the data will be ...   Jun 7 2006, 22:27
Darklord   For now, im just working on the updating part, and...   Jun 7 2006, 22:43
DonGato   Well, some data we have from other parts of the co...   Jun 8 2006, 05:37
Aw3   How does the server know what to resend? Do you ke...   Jun 8 2006, 23:45
Darklord   Where did i said that? What i did say was, what ...   Jun 9 2006, 00:24
Aw3   It's pretty hard to find the boundary between ...   Jun 9 2006, 01:11
DonGato   So is better to do the localization on every call ...   Jun 9 2006, 04:47
Darklord   Actualy, thats pretty much what JSON is, and its...   Jun 9 2006, 08:08
Darklord   As i have been told i have no suport from the eMul...   Jul 29 2006, 13:16


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